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GIFT TO MAKE US SMILEY'S PEOPLE
Daily Mirror, by N Trust

Original Article

Posted By:jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 6:16:31 AM

SPY writer John le Carre yesterday gave half a mile of rugged coastline to the National Trust. The reclusive author of Smiley's People donated the land below his cottage at Tregiffian, Cornwall, to keep it "out of the reach of human predators".

Comments:
Smiley People

Reply 1 - Posted by: LComStaff, 7/22/00 6:20:48 AM

Please try to limit the number of Australian news posts on this site. Thank you.


Reply 2 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 6:22:04 AM

Good one. I thought the author was a Brit.

Thread closed.


Reply 3 - Posted by: MHGinTN, 7/22/00 6:23:23 AM

JJ, my dear brother wants me to write like le Carre! I told him that if I could write like that, I wouldn't, and also wouldn't ask for his opinion on my writing. Actually, when I have trouble getting to sleep, I read one of Smiley's adventures. The plodding prose is gamey after a while. I like the Smiley character though ... Burtonesque as in from the cold, dontcha think?


Reply 4 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 6:25:05 AM

Yes Marvin. Le Carre would have made something of Reply 1, do you not think?


Reply 5 - Posted by: MHGinTN, 7/22/00 6:28:27 AM

LOL, yup!


Reply 6 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 6:31:36 AM

Going to hit the hay, Old Bud. Take care.


Reply 7 - Posted by: doug, 7/22/00 8:55:03 AM

I didn't realize the Mirror, Cornwall, and LaCarre had all moved to Australia.


Reply 8 - Posted by: JAN, 7/22/00 9:02:52 AM

If he owned the land, was he not one of those human predators?????


Reply 9 - Posted by: BBBoomer, 7/22/00 9:31:07 AM

A good question. Le Carre is a great author of Cold War spy mysteries, but he has a very nasty anti-American and anti-capitalist streak. Which makes you wonder what side he was really on. Especially given how leaky the British spy services were, the number of moles, and the lack of prosecution of KGB moles in the UK. They really lost the will to resist, and the Oxbridge intelligentsia always had a soft spot for Uncle Joe Stalin. Some of LeCarre's characters are the well-intentioned intellectual communists of the British campuses, who sold out to one of the most evil systems of the 20th century; or at least the one that killed the most innocent people. The Nazis only had twelve years; the communists had seventy years in power to wreak havoc.


Reply 10 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 10:51:05 AM

Is it just me....? Or does the link not work? I tried to find it

thanks for your consideration,


Reply 11 - Posted by: XWORKINMAN, 7/22/00 11:21:39 AM

The Enviro nuts are going to demand a buffer zone on that pretty soon.


Reply 12 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 11:23:55 AM

Just you Sunny! Click on "original article," then when you get onto the Mirror site click NEWS.


Reply 13 - Posted by: palo verde, 7/22/00 12:25:27 PM

jj, cute comment showing 3 smiles for smiley people. Love, Palo


Reply 14 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 12:29:12 PM

I'm glad someone thought so, Palo!


Reply 15 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 1:43:12 PM

He's a graphic genius PALO ....
*that's our bud jj*

Can I be the president of your FAN club ?
is it a lonely job!??? LOL


Reply 16 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 1:45:06 PM

In response to that cruel remark, Sunny may I respectfully say...



Anyway I'm president of my fan club.


Reply 17 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 1:58:19 PM

Back at ya BRIT
A Bart salute for you!...

You are the MOST QUALIFIED for the Pres.of the fan club anyways....
it's a job worse than Mike McCurry (WH press sec'y) during the IMPEACHMENT thing

wazzup with you ?
You causing havoc 'round these parts?


Reply 18 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 2:04:55 PM

Actually trying to unblock a drain. And learning more everyday on this site along with Dougie.

Reply 7 - Posted by: doug, 7/22/00 8:553 AM

I didn't realize the Mirror, Cornwall, and LaCarre had all moved to Australia.





Reply 19 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 2:09:47 PM

yea... I didn't quite get that comment either jj... (LOL)

We told you it's hard for us Americans to tell the difference between BRITISH AND AUSSIE ACCENTS (that must be it!) LOL


about the article... I did finally find it but does it consist of only 3 sentences?

I dunno... this is a no win for me

I gotta get off these AUSSIE stories!


Reply 20 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 2:13:02 PM

about the drain Brit...

ya got a plunger***!???

(maybe you call it a *bonnie commode-helmut*
or something wierd like that)

**** in britspeak that probably translates to a wild date....ha!




Reply 21 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 2:15:02 PM

An Australian author


Reply 22 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 2:19:05 PM

LOL I never heard of him... (but have heard of the SPY book)

I told you same accents!
sheesh!


Reply 23 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 2:44:43 PM

You are being very BOLD today, Sunny. How do you do that trick? I know LCRW mailed you his secret posting manual.


Reply 24 - Posted by: MAB2, 7/22/00 3:12:22 PM

I don't know who the Staffer is who made such an embarrassing and tedious gaffe, but I do know that it's getting pretty unpleasant around here, control freak wise. I can't help but wonder if it's the same Staffer who made the nasty post last night about throwing people off, and that there was a long list of such throwees, and did we want to see it. REAl nice, huh?

Well now here this, oh challenged one. Cornwall is in great Britain. John Le Carre, pseudonym for David Cornwell is considered by many many people (myself included) to be one of the world's truly great living writers. The Daily Mirror is a British paper. We like articles from British papers. Some of us find articles from Australian papers interesting.

If you want to make something out of that bub, then take your best shot. I've just about had enough of this bullbleep, despite how much I'll miss a lot of the people here.


Reply 25 - Posted by: MAB2, 7/22/00 3:15:59 PM

That was meant to be "hear" this. Too hacked off to type straight.


Reply 26 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 3:18:24 PM

Calm down, Mabster!

It gave me the biggest laugh of the day. I've been emailing my friends in England to prove that some Americans can actually be funny. Albeit unintentionally!


Reply 27 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 3:20:22 PM

jj BOLD is very easy....

you don't know how? I hadn't noticed...

UNLIKE you WHO WON'T tell me how to do direct links

I'll tell you how to post in bold

< b> then just type text here that you want bold

NO SPACES between the < b >

do you know how to do scrolling?

< marquee > type what you want to scroll < /marquee>

again, no spaces between the < marquee> part

got it? have fun!


Reply 28 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 3:23:46 PM

Linking is more complicated. I honestly can't show you without emailing. So guess you will never know how, Sunny.

Did you like the way I used the old trapdoor trick to get more people on my thread?


Reply 29 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 4:24:37 PM

GOOD JOB JJ I KNEW YOU COULD DO IT!!! AND I'm sure you could tell me how to LINK JUST TYPE AWAY like an EMAIL.......puleeeeeeease!


Reply 30 - Posted by: Pinfold, 7/22/00 6:12:58 PM

Several people have asked why I haven't posted here lately. Reply #1 is a case in point.

More important (to me), someone needs to work on the site's technical shortcomings. They are glaring and of long duration. MAB2 pretty well covered the human element in #24.

Anyway, I owe thanks to Lucianne for providing this forum. And many thanks to my fellow ldotters -- the real substance of this place -- whose company I've sorely missed.


Reply 31 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/22/00 6:16:50 PM

PINFOLD
I hope you are coming back to post
You are truely missed
I'm glad I caught your post!

Love,

PS Plus you always solved my *direct link* probs...

PSSI agree some of the stuff around here needs much improvement...


Reply 32 - Posted by: palo verde, 7/22/00 6:21:08 PM

Pinfold, come back. Love, Palo


Reply 33 - Posted by: palo verde, 7/22/00 6:22:25 PM

Pinfold, please come back now. Love, Palo


Reply 34 - Posted by: palo verde, 7/22/00 6:31:11 PM

Please come back Pinfold. I'll go on the Hugh Hefner thread and say that I think Hugh is an intellectual, with an interest in psychology (I do). I'll go on Shen's thread about Hillary and come out (for the third time) that I think all the crimes are his, that she was always in the dark, and now he will lay them all at her feet.
Love, Palo


Reply 35 - Posted by: palo verde, 7/22/00 6:52:45 PM

Pinfold, you are loved here by everyone. Love, Palo


Reply 36 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 7:55:07 PM

Pinfold I am glad you show good b(reading). I sent an emergency email to the gal who runs this site yesterday informing her of your disappearance.

I could never match your wit or expertise but admire you greatly. When I said 99 per cent of what you posted went over everyone else's head it was a BIG concert to you, friend.

Reply one is comical and every journalist I know in England is laughing at it.


Reply 37 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 8:06:31 PM

That is "big compliment." Sheesh I should be the guy on reply one!


Reply 38 - Posted by: Dawgsquat, 7/22/00 8:13:49 PM

I'm with Pinfold on this. Until a serious effort is made to address his grievances and an apology made to him, I'm out of here.


Reply 39 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 8:19:30 PM

Dawgi, you naughty boy. You aren't half Australian are you?!


Reply 40 - Posted by: minalou13, 7/22/00 9:06:22 PM

Ok now everyone be nice and Dawg and Pinfold
we want you back.NOW!!We love you guys.And I am not just saying that like someone else wears it out all day long please give me rest.
I thought John le Carre was British,oh well I guess I was wrong again.LOL!!


Reply 41 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 9:14:55 PM

We were all apparently wrong, Mina!

Perhaps Pat Rafter is Britain's best tennis player...pity that he isn't. We might win something for a change!


Reply 42 - Posted by: 6435 P, 7/22/00 9:40:14 PM

who REALLY posted #1? Lucianne, Igor, Oblio or the janitor?


Reply 43 - Posted by: MHGinTN, 7/22/00 9:52:26 PM

Sunshine here's how to command a direect, or hyperlink. When you see a [ or a ] substitute a < or a > and you will have a command line to redirect one to a website or another URL.

[a href=http://www.geocities.com/mhgintn/Apologetics.htm]CLICK HERE TO CONNECT[/a]

Had I used the < and the > the above command line would have shown only CLICK HERE TO CONNECT, and when you point and click on it, you would be directed to the site of the 'http://www.' address. Give it a try. Rewrite the command libe in the posting box for this thread, substitute the < and > for the [ and ], and then click on preview reply, point and click on the hyperlink command and see if it takes you to my essay on Apologetics!


Reply 44 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/22/00 10:06:37 PM

You rotter, Marvin. Sunny will use those links as a weapon against me!


Reply 45 - Posted by: Feral 51, 7/22/00 10:37:21 PM

Pinfold, Dawgsquat, MAB2,
I also feel something needs correcting if so many of the folks that make this site what it is, are drifting away. I'll lurk to see if anything does. Best wishes to you all.


Reply 46 - Posted by: 6435 P, 7/22/00 10:56:11 PM

Feral, my man!! Good to see you.

We just got to get these bad feelings all worked out.


Reply 47 - Posted by: Pinfold, 7/22/00 11:23:53 PM

Hello again, all.

Dawg, at this point it's not so much a (fairly minor) grievance with staff as it is frustration with the site's technical limitations. I would like for L.com to prosper, and any criticisms I make are as a friend. Please don't stop posting on my account .

And hello Feral, thou *other* notorious desecrator of fine art.

jj, I can hardly wait for the Aussie remake of Rebecca. Something about box jellyfish at the inquest....


Reply 48 - Posted by: Kitten, 7/22/00 11:27:29 PM

Ugh! I hate Le Carre. His characters are terrific, but his plots are so outside the realm of what really happens in intelligence that I just loathe the man. He is far too leftwing to be of any realistic understanding of what goes on in the intelligence community. He makes me want to gag!


Reply 49 - Posted by: 6435 P, 7/22/00 11:42:20 PM

Pin-Good to see you again. Please stay here with us. We need our "art" fix from you and Feral....... only thing that will keep us sane until November.


Reply 50 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 3:11:28 AM

Pinfold, I am NOT worthy. Kitten's presence on the thread reminds me to say that even my three cats are saluting you...




Reply 51 - Posted by: Mr. Peabody, 7/23/00 3:19:53 AM

Please try to limit the number of Australian news posts on this site. Thank you.

What's a reasonable limit? 1, 2, 3 per day?

Just because some rednecks with no sense of humour complained after they lost a debate? The same rednecks who claimed this site was for "American conservatives" only.

How do you feel about that Cheyenne, Rednose, and Erika?

This reply (#1) is about as stupid as 45Autos "Australian Crime Statistics."


Reply 52 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 3:30:37 AM

Mr P - that reply would be totally inappropriate on a redneck, whacko site!!!

The poster we are referring to has NOT come out of the woodwork and I doubt he ever will.

I posted that story to ease the tension some of those anti-Australian and anti-Brit nuts had created... and got THAT.

I mean, for Heaven's sake, couldn't you have merely done a search on "John Le Carre"? Absolutely disgraceful! I agree with everyone!


Reply 53 - Posted by: Mr. Peabody, 7/23/00 3:35:06 AM

I might vote for Gore now, just to give some people here the sh*ts.


Reply 54 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 3:45:48 AM

They would probably shoot you for that, Peabers.

They all leaped on me for diverting the thread after I was chatting to you about a trip to Longboat Key, a place you knew well.

Surprising, the jealousy of some, eh?

Don't leave the site, old friend. You and I have a sense of humour, so does the late Dawgsquat and the late and enviably intelligent Pinfold.

As Palo says,

Love Jules!


Reply 55 - Posted by: Mr. Peabody, 7/23/00 3:49:33 AM

JJ,

I thought any one who can read and had flown on an plane would know who John Le Carre is.

Except for GOPgal and quidnunc.


Reply 56 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 4:01:57 AM

We were very wrong! And don't you just hate the piety of people who use the race card. Exactly what got OJ out of a jam!

Peabmeister, I often have to explain when I'm making a joke to some people here. I'M NOT NOW!!!


Reply 57 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 5:04:27 AM



The "Australian".

By Wear Heretoeducate

Le Carré Breaks his Silence
Let me tell you a few things about myself. Not much, but enough. In the old days it was convenient to bill me a s a spy turned writer. I was nothing of the kind. I am a writer who, when I was very young, spent a few ineffectual but extremely formative years in British Intelligence.
I never knew my mother till I was 21. I act like a gent but I am wonderfully badly born. My father was a confidence trickster and a gaol bird. Read A Perfect Spy.

I hate the telephone. I can't type. Like the tailor in my new novel, I ply my trade by hand. I live on a Cornish cliff and hate cities. Three days and nights in a city are about my maximum. I don't see many people. I write and walk and swim and drink.

Apart from spying, I have in my time sold bathtowels, got divorced, washed elephants, run away from school, decimated a flock of Welsh sheep with a twenty-five pound shell because I was too stupid to understand the gunnery officer's instructions, taught children in a special school.

I have four sons and ten grandchildren. It is well over thirty years since I hung up my cloak and dagger. I wrote my first three books while I was a spook; I wrote the next thirteen after I was at large.

A good writer is an expert on nothing except himself. And on that subject, if he is wise, he holds his tongue. Some of you may wonder why I am reluctant to submit to interviews on television and radio and in the press.

The answer is that nothing that I write is authentic. It is the stuff of dreams, not reality. Yet I am treated by the media as though I wrote espionage handbooks. I am regarded as a sage on every spy case from the double-agent Judas to your wretched Mr. Aldrich Ames.

And to a point I am flattered that my fabulations are taken so seriously. Yet I also despise myself in the fake role of guru, since it bears no relation to who I am or what I do. Artists, in my experience, have very little center. They fake. They are not the real thing. They are spies. I am no exception.

(Taken from remarks made by John le Carré to the Knopf Sales Force August 12, 1996.)

Thought Quidnunc might appreciate that one - after all he's into history lessons, judging by his 200 postings on the American Patriot, designed merely to wind-up one British poster. How very brave!


Reply 58 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 9:38:27 AM

Mr Peabody on #53 You know how *sensitive* we YANKS are.... we can't handle any MORE than 1-3 AUSSIE (?) posts a day....


ahem, And I think they should be limited in topics too ~ to the only stories the Americans ever hear 'bout OZ...
SHARK attacks,
CROC attacks
and DINGO attacks...

(isn't post # 1 dumb...talk about KNEEJERK reactions and WHY? )

about you punishing all of us by VOTING FOR THIS:
src=http://news.excite.com/img/feeds/ap/gore/200o/20000721/ses101_full.jpg>

"We're beggin' ya...NOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!"

love,


Reply 59 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 9:42:03 AM

WHO wants this for PRESIDENT?


Reply 60 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 9:43:53 AM



I'm glad some of our American friends like us.

Love Jules (now an honorary Australian! Our numbers are growing!)


Reply 61 - Posted by: vista, 7/23/00 9:51:01 AM

"How do you feel about that Cheyenne, Rednose, and Erika?"

When you are around, I miss them. I never thought that could happen. Don't stir the pot here. This site is not about that. If you don't like the way things are run here, go elsewhere.


Reply 62 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 9:51:21 AM

MGHinTN #43 thank you very much for telling me how to do direct links ~ I was hoping someone else would post it ....

Didn't know that was the state logo (cute)

jj (heh heh)


Reply 63 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 9:53:58 AM

No, Vista. You run somewhere else. Preferably HERE!

Observe the words of the Great Pinfold and the Great Dawg and the Great Peabody. And you can listen to the annoying Me as well if you want!


Reply 64 - Posted by: triad, 7/23/00 10:00:17 AM

This Explains A Lot About Some Of These Australian Blokes


Reply 65 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 10:12:16 AM

To Dawgsquat, Pinfold, Quintas, Feral,Mopes and whoever else I've missed who may be *silent* here in protest of what's wrong with this forum....

(I sometimes think people are on vacation and don't notice right away they are gone)

I hope this all gets resolved quick because I think your friends/fans here are the ones who are punished the most by your leaving us.... I have grown to love this site mostly because of the intelligence, laughs, and great artwork and graphics....

Please Lucianne & staff solve whatever problems there are... This is too good of a site and so unique to lose/ruin over issues that can be fixed ~ only to become some sort of *controlled bore*!

Dawg I actually look for you when I log on and I note you haven't been here at all...
I know they *love* you at L.dot headquarters (and who got the biggest B'day tribute ever?)

One more thing... YOU can't all leave ME here with the 'BRITS and AUSSIES'.... YIKES!

to dawgie we miss ya...



Reply 66 - Posted by: goper, 7/23/00 10:17:33 AM

Can we please get back to issues, ideas, news, politics and current events. That is what this website is about. The staff sets the rules. Let's abide by them and enjoy this exciting election cycle.


Reply 67 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 10:18:21 AM

But it would be so cosy with just the two of us left, Sunny!


Reply 68 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 10:37:41 AM

it's spelled COZY.....

see what I mean dawgie? sniff! LOL



Reply 69 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 10:40:38 AM

" I'll be making it reeeeal special for us if we're ever left alone here....COUNT ON IT BRIT"



gotta run....
try and fix things here jj if you can,
counting on you brit!

love,


Reply 70 - Posted by: Dawgsquat, 7/23/00 10:41:00 AM

!


Reply 71 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 10:43:44 AM

goper
I think everyone wants that but some very good posters are upset about certain things that have occured, and I give them the respect to say what they feel, and protest if they want...
I just hope they all come back very soon!

I want everyone back to the issues too very much... but they have a point


Reply 72 - Posted by: Sunshine Warrior, 7/23/00 10:45:15 AM

woof!


Reply 73 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 10:46:36 AM

Dawgmeister - from that classic "!" I know you are still lurking and I suspect Pinfold, Quintas and the rest are too.

The Aussie boys love this site as much as everyone else. Leave 'em alone.

Dawgi is apparently trying to arrange Aussie citizenship for himself.

And Sunny is all mine now!


Reply 74 - Posted by: andysmom, 7/23/00 11:18:51 AM

Regarding post 65...I second everything Sunshine Warrior said...come back all you wonderful posters....Dawg...Mopes...Quintas...Feral.....Pinfold...and anyone else out there who I also missed....where are you?

I am clueless as to what is going on here and why...just know that some of our most valued posters are gone...at least for a while...and if this keeps up, who will be left? please, please come back...


Reply 75 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 11:27:20 AM

A much-loved poster writes: "If this keeps up, who will be left?"

ME! Ironically I am British and don't have the vote here. But like the mad variety of this zoo.

Actually we are all still here it is just we don't talk so much these days!


Reply 76 - Posted by: Mopes, 7/23/00 11:34:13 AM

Vacations are taken as a respite, to get away from it all. I have not been away on vacation, but have been away because I have been at a loss as to explain why particular things have been allowed to occur. Pinfold has been frustrated over some of the technical difficulties/limitations here, but it was I who was insulted at a posting of his being edited with no explanation, and NO response whatsoever to direct request of Staff on the board.

While true, there are rules regarding the privileges of using this site, as with any kind of contract, THE RULES MUST BE OBSERVED BY BOTH SIDES. A prime example that this is not the case, has not for some time is the very first post here -- why are we to limit posts that are news stories which come from legitimate news source, with the correct URL furnished? I take great objection to threads being closed for no reason other than it seems the Staff do not particularly care for the story, for no other reasonable objection is given. Threads are closed with the extremely curt, "Already Posted", but NO LINK IS PROVIDED to the original posting, to allow folks to keep to one thread. MAB makes comment at Post 24 that I find incredible, in light of the shocking posts that were allowed to remain on last week's Roundtable thread, comments that were met with rather weak admonishment, in my opinion.

I have been disappointed and disheartened, to the point of finding no desire to make comments to stories, make comments to friends. Conversation with Dawggie last night brought a note from Mrs. Goldberg herself, one that has given me hope and encouragement in feeling that perhaps these disappointments will no longer occur. I do so hope this will be the case, for like my friend Pinfold, I too miss the company of my fellow L.dotters, miss the silly fun and the serious discussion. I do not have enough friends that I can afford to lose those I have found here.


Reply 77 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 11:39:49 AM


Reply 78 - Posted by: beau, 7/23/00 11:42:58 AM

What is this Peyton Place? Get over yourselves. Deal or move on.


Reply 79 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 11:46:06 AM

Beau,

Your appearance on what was meant to be a weekend humour page is entirely inappropriate. You move on.

Mopes, Come on... don't Mope about it. I am sure the technical problems will be resolved and hopefully someone will learn a bit about Cornish geography.


Reply 80 - Posted by: beau, 7/23/00 11:48:47 AM

Humor page? Where?


Reply 81 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 11:52:47 AM

Laughing on the inside, Beau. heh heh

Door..? Where...?


Reply 82 - Posted by: andysmom, 7/23/00 12:02:34 PM

Mopes....so glad to here from you and hopefully we will hear more from you in the future if things will get straightened out....we miss you...

Hi there JJ....am glad you are here too....


Reply 83 - Posted by: vista, 7/23/00 12:04:30 PM

Post #76 by Mopes was humor? You can't be selective jjbrouwer. I agree with beau.


Reply 84 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 12:06:18 PM

They should set this thread to music. Where's MH? Unfortunately the sound is not working on my laptop. I suggest this theme song...


Reply 85 - Posted by: minalou13, 7/23/00 12:15:07 PM

Thanks for the Bio on Le Carre,jj,very interesting.He sounds a bit like me stays out of big cities.I'll bet that house on the Cornish Cliff in *Australia* is beautiful.LOL!!!Have a very good day folks

One day I will go to Cornwall Australia, and find le Carre's, house on the cliff.Oh I mean Cornwall England,now how dumb of me.Can you ever forgive me jj,Hey this is one American that loves your humor and also understand it.


Reply 86 - Posted by: LGE, 7/23/00 12:21:59 PM

I dunno about you guys complaining and getting angry. With a slight stretch of the imagination you could sound a bit like the unfairly treated victims of the right wing management devels who have conspired to run this site. We can't have that! No way!

POOR BABIES

Now get back to work and stop screwing around


Reply 87 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 12:31:14 PM

Done my work LG-meister. Just lying here with my feet up watching the circus! Those three smiley gifs for George Smiley were a tribute to you, Buddy.

PS do you fancy becoming an Aussie for the day?


Reply 88 - Posted by: minalou13, 7/23/00 12:32:33 PM

Mopes, my good friend I for one Love you and you know that.I have missed hearing from you
and missed your post.
There are times I write my L.dot friends and say it is sooo dead.I am one which you all know Loves to joke around with fellow posters
I can also be very serious when i want too.
There is one thing I can not stand and that is for someone to attack my friends,like what happen to jj,the other night,so I am putting you all on notice,just leave him alone.You know who you are too I dont have to put your names down.I knew from the start you were here to cause nothing but trouble and you sure have.Dont think that you havent been reported to Lucianne,you have.
Now as for visa&beau.You two can just go away
Mopes, is another friend and she is a very sweet person and you two are here to cause trouble.I also have your number so do not mess with me at all.Love ya Mopes and jj.I want all my old friends to come back it gets very lonesome here.
BTW the person that jumped jj the other night
if you are looking to become number one on Lucy Show forget it thats my spot so move on.
LMBO!!Sorry Lucy I just had to clear the air.
and like I mentioned to you in the e-mail I just have this thing about me that can spot a trouble maker a mile off.Please forgive me.


Reply 89 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 12:36:38 PM

Eh? You gals been talking about me?!


Reply 90 - Posted by: triad, 7/23/00 12:39:24 PM

I guess it is Peyton Place LOL. It's just a website for God's sake.


Reply 91 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 12:48:34 PM

This is a lot scarier than Peyton Place though, Triad!!!


Reply 92 - Posted by: Quintas, 7/23/00 1:13:28 PM

Thanks to all for the kind remarks. The events that transpired on the July 4 weekend were perhaps the culmination of a geometric progression of little annoyances that just grew to immense proportions. I have stayed away in support of Pinfold. I miss many of my virtual friends very much and appreciate that Lucianne is concerned and involved. She's the wonderful spirit that infuses this site and I miss her, too.


Reply 93 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 1:17:24 PM

Quintas


Reply 94 - Posted by: Mopes, 7/23/00 1:22:30 PM

The staff sets the rules. Let's abide by them ...

That was the point of my post ... again, they must abide by the very same rules themselves. As Pinfold said, Post #1 is a case in point.

Peyon Place? Humor? You're kidding, right? Apparently my ability to communicate that which I intend fails me.


Reply 95 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 1:24:52 PM

Actually it doesn't Mopes. Anyone with class understands.


Reply 96 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 1:30:24 PM

On the class front - Guess that counts me out then and the population of Australia. We have a tactic in cricket matches between Aussies and Poms called sledging, where we try to put each other off with mindgames.

None of those that would like to sledge the foreigners are half as good at it as Kanga, myself and Peabody are!


Reply 97 - Posted by: Quintas, 7/23/00 1:31:51 PM

jj:


Reply 98 - Posted by: LGE, 7/23/00 1:33:28 PM

Welcome back guys

I see you argued your case and made your point. Good job

Don't stay away so long next time. Times-a-wasting and besides you'll miss out on the good stuff like aussie hour


Reply 99 - Posted by: quidnunc, 7/23/00 1:33:39 PM

There seems to be a great deal of sturm und drang over the well-deserved sinus cleaning which a couple of posters received here the other night.

First off before anyone start blathering about their right to free speech, let’s get a couple of things straight.

Your right to free speech does not impose a concomitant duty upon others to provide you a platform upon which to utter that speech.

As a Supreme Court justice one observed, your right to shout “Fire!” does not extend to a crowded theater.

Lucianne.com is wholly owned and operated by Lucianne Goldberg and she is free to dictate the content and tenor of the discussion on her forum.

If anyone don’t like this let me hasten to point out that they are perfectly free to start their own Internet forum which they would be free to administer in any way they see fit.

Allow me to also point out that one can do this at little or no cost at Yahoo.

Lucianne.com was created to provide a forum where like-minded conservatives can go to read news of interest to conservatives and to engage in civil discussion.

It is not a chat room for oafs to engage in flaming and the posting of offensive articles purposely calculated to infuriate other members.

One person posting under the name “Hypocrite Mufti” and purporting to be some sort of Muslim fighter recently posted an essay from a HAMAS propaganda site.

I have read enough of this cretin’s posts to conclude that he or she is a native English speaker who uses the language in the British idiom.

This was beyond the pale.

There has been an upswing in posts on this forum which have clearly been purposely calculated to be offensive to the Jewish posters on this board.

Very recently one poster changed his screen name to one that was extremely offensive in a pornographic sense and then proceeded to post in the pretext of being a Jewish woman.

He insisted that this was not anti-Jewish but I fail to see how any Jew could fail to be highly insulted by such insensitivity.

It was much akin to posting in stereotypical black Bones-and-Tambo dialect under a comic stepnfetchit screen name and then claiming it was not meant to bwe racist.

While we’re speaking of disrupting the forum for personal amusement, some of the worst offenders recently have been a poster or posters who purport to be Australian.

There may be one, two or more of them; it is difficult to tell because they constantly change their names.

These “Australians” — along with most foreigners for that matter — have at best a rudimentary grasp of American conservative political and social issues.

They have bragged that they are here to “take the piss” out of the Yanks — or some such Australian jargon which I take to mean they are intent on engaging in flaming other posters merely for the enjoyment of being confrontational.

The other night two of them were gloating about how easily they chased an American poster — a woman in this case — off a thread which they were on.

At any rate, they really contribute very little to L.com and are responsible for much incivility and anger.

Many of their posts are virulent denunciations of various facets of American institutions, be they the Constitution, political leaders or even our handling of WW II.

In other words, they engage in blatant anti-Americanism simply to see how far they can push before others on the thread lose their tempers.

All in all they seem to be here to disrupt the forum for their own entertainment and for no other reason.

Bad posters drive out good and left unchecked flame wars and gross incivility will in time destroy a forum and leave something resembling loony bin in it’s wake.

I saw this happen on another forum which at it’s best was much like what Lucianne.com is now but which never regained it’s former excellence after the turmoil subsided.

The prospect of having L.com turned into some darwinian Animal House where only the strong survive is one which is completely unacceptable to me.




Reply 100 - Posted by: triad, 7/23/00 1:35:20 PM

You are a legend in your own mind jjbrouwer. And the Aussies you mentioned are major racists in my opinion. Good Lord people. Get a life!


Reply 101 - Posted by: goper, 7/23/00 1:40:49 PM

LGE writes: "Don't stay away so long next time. Times-a-wasting and besides you'll miss out on the good stuff like aussie hour."

Good stuff, if you like race-baiting, profanity, low-class talk, unfunny attempts at humor and anti-Americanism, you will love them. Though I suspect you won't find them here.


Reply 102 - Posted by: LGE, 7/23/00 1:43:13 PM

JJ! Over here, we would never think of *sledging* anyone with our *trash talk*. Just wouldn't happen...


Reply 103 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 1:48:09 PM

The people I like came into this room. So did a load of old bores. Stick in your own thread, you guys. We'll stick in ours. And Quidnunc, feel free to post more threads about the American Patriot. I won't be reading them anymore.


This is my first and last offer of a truce.


Reply 104 - Posted by: andysmom, 7/23/00 1:48:13 PM

You know, this thing about being civil cuts both ways...example...and this regards Elian...I had always made it quite clear that I believed that Elian should stay in the US...but on a thread, I just mentioned that in spite of that, I believed that the motives of Donato 'the fishermen' were less than honorable.....and talk about not being civil...I was called trashy names, told to leave the country, called Un-American, and more trash...now that, to my way of thinking is not civil....it was obvious that some of the conservative posters took absolutely no time at all to read my entire posts, just jumped on me for one thing I said...

Being civil is something both sides should try to be....sometimes people get excited and dont behave the way they should....but this thing about not being civil, and baiting people has been happening on both sides here, and maybe everyone should start thinking about how they are acting....when someone gets really offensive, I just skim over their remarks....and again, I have seen offensive stuff from both sides...and no, I dont have any proof, or any cut and paste items to show as proof...just my memory....


Reply 105 - Posted by: quidnunc, 7/23/00 1:55:10 PM

To: andysmom

You know, this thing about being civil cuts both ways

It's one thing for feeling to run high and tempers to flare in the heat of a spirited debate on a controversial topic.

It is quite another to storm onto a large forum such as this and try to reconfigure it to suit your own tastes.

I for one do not intend to remain supine while a bundh of johnny-come-lately clodhoppers trash L.com just for grins.


Reply 106 - Posted by: GOPgal, 7/23/00 1:55:37 PM

The people I like came into this room. So did a load of old bores. Stick in your own thread, you guys.

Are you kidding? The *threads* (*room* is an interesting choice of words - do you have this confused with a chatroom perhaps?) don't "belong" to anyone. Everyone is free to post on any thread they want last I checked. You can't tell people where to post. That's damn funny!

Hi to Mopes and Quintas. Thought you were on vacation guys. Good to see you.

Thanks for setting things straight Quidnunc. You are not only right, you can really write.


Reply 107 - Posted by: 6435 P, 7/23/00 1:59:50 PM

It's time to kiss and make up. The full moon is over!!
(except for Erika)


Reply 108 - Posted by: janny, 7/23/00 2:00:21 PM

andysmom
you are so right
exactly what you said has happened to me too!!


Reply 109 - Posted by: LGE, 7/23/00 2:04:22 PM

Good point. Time for a big hug

(don't give up on Erica, one of these days she'll get mugged and move away from the left just like the rest of us)


Reply 110 - Posted by: GOPgal, 7/23/00 2:06:37 PM

Some of you seem to have this website mixed up with a junior high school. Some sort of "club" and gee who is friends with who and la-di-da. It's a news forum. Fun yes! Junior high school no.

Posters who have made ugly racial slurs against blacks have been thrown off here and rightfully so. The same applies to other groups I should think. I would agree that posters should wise up to the rules and act according to what they believe to be right for them.


Reply 111 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 2:06:50 PM

6435...If you INSIST!

By the way the answer to an earlier question you posed was


Reply 112 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 2:08:59 PM

oops!

...the janitor!


Reply 113 - Posted by: 6435 P, 7/23/00 2:13:52 PM

JJ- I knew you'd know the answer.

It's time for EVERYBODY to take a deep breath. It's a long way to November......


Reply 114 - Posted by: minalou13, 7/23/00 2:15:23 PM

Peaburs,
What is sledging and why when Aussies do it to the Poms they actually defend each other on an American website.


Reply 115 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 2:15:57 PM

...and to Tipperary. Anyone fancy talking about Longboat Key instead? Or shall I wait till Peabers gets in?


Reply 116 - Posted by: shurnuff, 7/23/00 2:17:00 PM

I missed it.... what happened to Pinfold?


Reply 117 - Posted by: shurnuff, 7/23/00 2:20:10 PM

I missed it.... what happened to Pinfold?


Reply 118 - Posted by: GOPgal, 7/23/00 2:20:37 PM

Not really 6435 .

November seems to be coming very quickly to me. Just a few months. Time has flown so quickly since we were all saying "It's a year away!" But GW is still ahead. That's the good news. This election is so important. That's the beauty of this website. To have a place to learn about the candidates and spread the word, and share ideas. All Conservatives, work your butts off to get GW elected.

Oh...am I allowed to discuss politics on this thread?


Reply 119 - Posted by: shurnuff, 7/23/00 2:21:02 PM

jj: About your plumbing problems.... AlGore has some plumbers who don't seem to be doing anything... maybe they could help you out.


Reply 120 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 2:23:46 PM

Gopster, you are allowed to talk about John Le Carre, Cornwall, people getting a windfall or...Longboat Key.


Reply 121 - Posted by: 6435 P, 7/23/00 2:24:31 PM

jj- luv those lips......... W O W!!


Reply 122 - Posted by: Mopes, 7/23/00 2:33:08 PM

Well, I will attempt to clarify one more time ... complaint is not founded on that which is posted by folks -- I am talking about the behavior of the Staff. Selective editing, closing threads for no stated reason, or for a curt *Already Posted* with no link provided to the previous thread. Postings which obviously violate the stated rules one agrees to upon registration are not dealt with in a timely manner. Violaters we know to have been banned return, with two or three, sometimes more, different incarnations, SO STATED by them on threads, and yet, they continue their disruptive, often outrageous behavior, leaving it to look, as Pinfold eloquently pointed out some time ago, as though *no one is home* to these burglars.

I am not whining, making petty complaint, am not looking at this place as a club, chat room, nothing of the kind, nor do I need any of you to hold my hand. I was merely responding to several posters noticing an absence, providing the courtesy of explanation.

Instead of my so obviously annoying so many with this, I suggest anyone who wants to know what has aggrieved me may write me and ask directly. I do answer my email.


Reply 123 - Posted by: minalou13, 7/23/00 2:37:55 PM

andymom&janny,
That happens to me also if I dont agree with something I have been called less than American or Commie.What I do is consider the sort and dont let it bother me.I like both of you girls honesty so say whats on your mind,dont let anyone dictate what you can and cant say.I let that happen to me for years and it wont happen any more.

Oh thats right this isnt a chat room its a
thread we should be commenting on.

Hey I liked Le Carre myself.How was that.


Reply 124 - Posted by: andysmom, 7/23/00 2:45:57 PM

Miss Mina....gracious of you to speak to this...its very disturbing if you dont tow what some consider 'their' line about things...then they feel free to call you whatever name they so choose..you are right of course, just consider the source...

Mopes...I understand exactly what you are saying....

Oh yes, I like John LeCarre also....


Reply 125 - Posted by: LGE, 7/23/00 2:47:17 PM

Mopes, I am going to stay up tonight and worry that you may not do well in rush-hour traffic and other annoying things. I want you to be just a little bit tougher than that


Reply 126 - Posted by: janny, 7/23/00 3:00:56 PM

Thanks minalou
"That" was very nice and succinct!!!
You are one of the posters I like to come across!!!


Reply 127 - Posted by: swampgas, 7/23/00 3:02:56 PM

Speaking of closing threads...last night I posted an article about cow flatulance causing excessive methane production in Australia. The thread was closed for no obvious reason and there was no explanation why. The only reason I can think of was that someone told a crude fart joke.


Reply 128 - Posted by: hennypenny, 7/23/00 3:03:26 PM

All right, I have read all the post and as Mr Hatch would say ..'there is justice on both sides'. There should be room for both serious and the not so serious. It will come as no suprise , most every thing we say is a repeat of a repeat,of a ...., all the arguements have been stated a thousand times..more becomes less as the shadows move across the face of time...Lets fry ALL the fish,but do it without hate or anger with each other. Lord knows ther is enough bandwidth for all......especially if those with ,'War and Peace' post will do them in 'link' form.

NOw that we are properly serious again will someone tell me ....

Where in hell is my Dingo? I let it outr to play with the Roo that JJ sent me for christmas, and the bugger never came back..hope he ain't on some gap toothed rednecks barbie over in the trailer park..

Earlier on the thread some one ask how to tell the
Aussies from the Brits on the site...easy the Brits are the ones that sound like they have their finger in their nose....the Ausies, on the other hand, sound like they have it up their butt.....hope that is some help!

Would have been on earlier but as usual spent my day,delivering food to the blacks so they will have the energy to rob and pillage tonight...going by the old folks home,to show them how well I can move and talk...and sticking a pin in the dolls I keep of Zammmmmme,amd chysteranne.

JJ they said you took a ride through Central Park last night...but almost didn't go cause you couldn't get the poop collector to fit right!!!


Reply 129 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 3:05:07 PM

Swampy, don't worry mate. Post a cool music thread and see if they remove it. After all...it is still the weekend.


Reply 130 - Posted by: GOPgal, 7/23/00 3:07:41 PM

BBBoomer, reply #9 is a very interesting commentary on LeCarre.


Reply 131 - Posted by: LGE, 7/23/00 3:09:57 PM

Swamp, the thread was closed because that subject brings in people who post sounds and the software can't handle the sound stuff very well.


Reply 132 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 3:10:51 PM

Reply #1 was pretty interesting too!

You ever been to Longboat Key, by the way?


Reply 133 - Posted by: Skinnydipper, 7/23/00 3:28:27 PM

WOW! All hell broke out somewhere and I missed it??? Reading all these posts made me feel like I'VE REALLY MISSES SOMETHING. Is anyone mad at me? Who's mad a whom? What's happnin'? Did we loose Dawgsquat? If so, WHY? NOBODY picks on Dawg and gets away with it!!


Reply 134 - Posted by: Brynna77, 7/23/00 3:55:02 PM

WHEW!!!

I have been away, (at least 90% more of the
time I'm usually feeding my L.com 'addiction!), due to travel, family and an extremely temperamental PC!

Don't know what's going down but I think
most all you guys and gals are great!

Especially agree with andysmom, mina~~(rotfl--she has this talent of tickling my funny bone....so many times--Love ya)~~and Sunshine
W!

Hate to see the Top Dawg, Pinfold, Mopesie-Girl, or anyone else feel the need to stay
away...You guys, especially, are what I consider the mainstays and some of the MOST DELIGHTFUL, HUMOROUS
PATRIOTIC and ARTICULATE folks on 'Lucianne's!'

As well as MY S/BG/F CLEO-mina, of course!

I do happen to love The New Australian
magazine~~and am proud to say it. Sheesh.

I also like Inside China Today, the BBC...and
WorldNetDaily. What the heck!

Glad I didn't witness whatever happened or
is happening as I choose to remain in my
blissful state of ignorance as per these
conflicts/problems?

Let's not let Klinton get away with the
old divide and concquer bit here! Every single one of us are important and need to stay united in our cause to win back our country!!

PEACE!

AND...









Reply 135 - Posted by: Lucianne, 7/23/00 4:26:11 PM

Okay guy, I really have to stick up for my staff here. We do the best we can. I know we are not perfect but this site is huge and alive 24/7 and at the risk of whining - it is a great deal of work. If a thread gets closed because its got a fart joke, the N word or anything we think is offensive live with it. If duplicate posts don't get caught in time - scroll on by. It's not the end of the world.

I hearby offer to refund every penny anyone has spent to make this the interesting place it is.

I also offer to E mail anyone the other conservative sites available. Go see how much fun they are. Ours is what it is. Hopefully it will get better. Until then cut us some slack. We hit 4 million page views a month this month which makes us the most successful site of its kind of the web.


Reply 136 - Posted by: meema, 7/23/00 4:27:00 PM

Skinney

Dawg will be back. There's just some upsetedness happening. And I feel like I'm on both sides.

quidnunc #99

I agreed with you on almost everything you posted (there must have been something in there that I saw the other side of things). I'm really concerned that the quality of Licianne's website does not go downhill.

goper, gopgal #'s 101 and 106 Right on.

This IS a political website with rules. Lots of these rules have been broken. Some people get away with it, some don't. There is a lack of consistancy in the application of the rules. There ARE people who come here both to have fun AND to make trouble. Earlier this month there were terrible things happening without being stopped by staff. Drove one of my friends nuts. Now he's gone. Yes, he did bad.

The point is that some people are hear for the purpose of driving us batty, take over a thread, etc. Many times these very same people have some really good comments to make.

I usually leave the thread when this sort of thing happens. Life is too short and time is precious.
I have never yet complained to staff. But maybe that is the easy way out.

I love this place, and I don't want to see anything bad happen to it. Maybe we quiet conservatives should stand our ground. I've noticed that many people who I agree with most of the time don't post their email addresses, either. Would it help if we did?

The staffer that posted #1 really messed up. Jumped the gun, so to speak. Whooopppss!

I always loved LeCarre's books,even though I knew he hated us. ( the cold war ones, that is.)


Reply 137 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 4:31:27 PM

If I didn't like the site and all the posters here I wouldn't be here! Thank you, Lucianne!


Reply 138 - Posted by: hennypenny, 7/23/00 4:37:30 PM

Every site needs a brit boob..we are luck..most are in jail for soccer rape or something kin to it...

..screw the whales..Save JJ.....


Reply 139 - Posted by: jjbrouwer, 7/23/00 4:40:45 PM

For once, Henny, Old Son...I'm not going to give the obvious pun. As I said on another thread, I am going to the pub, or as we say back home, the old rubbidy!


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